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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back to calling all beings

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it's a big night when we're gonna have

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my u.s navy brother from a three-letter

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agency about to get into it but not

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before we talk about

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the other money man the man who every

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time this man speaks it's like dollar

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bills coming out his mouth or pounds if

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you're from england we're talking about

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michael's money nathan

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pound sterling that's right yeah dj

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what's going on man

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nothing man it's good to see you uh

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we're missing our beautiful sunflower of

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love ev that woman is known as and i

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hope she changes her twitter handle to

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this at akashi chris it's actually at

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chris mullins tx so we're missing you

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tonight chris please come back and join

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us holmes when things be all right and

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we do have somebody else though i mean

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this man has become famous for bringing

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some uh some laughter some love and some

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artwork and actually a lot of his love

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comes through his artwork because i'll

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tell you what he ain't answering the

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i don't answer the phone when anyone

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you didn't hear me say that um and

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someone else's hair who looks great that

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you guys can't see but we did see it

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lovely and talented the legendary the

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one

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who will ask

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a member of the joint staff to come on

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here show and demand that they show up

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and that is the host of

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deb's

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data or data dojo depending on what day

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debs

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i can't ever decide hi everybody

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i love it you went with data last time

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you know who your friends are depending

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on how they say data or data so that's

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how you

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yeah be careful that's all i'm going to

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say

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as long as the information gets out

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there yeah we know how frank and

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charlotte are going to say it and they

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were just on

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from england that's so dope can't wait

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till he releases that but right now

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we gotta welcome in a very special guest

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my u.s navy brother

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from the three letter agency known as

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the central intelligence age agency

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put your hands together for senor

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yes

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welcome back mr ramirez

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we're so happy to have you back mr

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ramirez how are you sir i'm doing great

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dj

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ah you know what you look you look fired

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up and ready so but without any further

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ado i'm going to turn you over to the

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other money man that's on this show

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other than yourself money nathan thanks

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dj john great to see you again uh really

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great to have you back with us on the

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show uh just kind of on a one-on-one

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basis to get into some things i'm going

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to jump right into it because i really

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want your opinion on this topic so

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is it is it fair to say that when an

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intelligence officer is you know kind of

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making an assessment a recommendation to

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a policy maker for example

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that the intelligence agencies and

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officers have considered

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the various uh

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downstream effects of their

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is that a is that a pretty fair

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uh yes first of all um we don't

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recommend any kind of policy whatsoever

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what we do is provide uh policy decision

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levers and basically we just outline

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if you do this this might happen oh by

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the way there might be unintended

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consequences of doing that so we will

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rock and stack all of these decision

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and allow the policy makers to pick one

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because it's the policy maker and by

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policymaker i mean the president of the

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united states uh to pick one and

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just with advice of his or her staff

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especially national security council

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to go with a certain decision and

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because they've already assessed like

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this is the outcome we want but we can

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live with the outcome we don't want and

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so that's what we do

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excellent well so and i asked that

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question just in light of uh what we

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from lou elizondo what he's kind of

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trying to get the community of interest

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engaged get policymakers engaged to get

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the study of ufos and kind of get it out

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more in the open make it more palatable

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more mainstream and i just i always

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wondered what your thoughts were

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that initiative

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you know what would be

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if policymakers say yes to everything

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kind of lou and chris mellon are

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recommending for example

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do you think they have a good sense from

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from those guys and others who are

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involved with this effort of what those

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potential downstream

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i'm sure policy makers will take that

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it really depends on the end goal i mean

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what is the purpose of disclosing

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anything what what do they want

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to happen

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by this disclosure and they'll have to

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take that into account

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for sure the policy makers are not going

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to disclose just to satisfy our

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curiosities it will be some kind of a

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strategic goal in mind for the united

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states and for our allies and just

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balancing the geopolitical aspects the

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sociological aspects even the spiritual

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aspects of what it would do to people's

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belief systems

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economic aspects what would it do um to

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our world markets

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everything will have to be taken into

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i would think that above lou there would

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be a committee of some sort

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that is actually managing uh the

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narrative for the policymakers and

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other people will be feeding into that

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committee and that committee is the one

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that will rack and stack these various

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options for the policy makers

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our level the formers whatever position

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will have that direct input into the

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white house i might be wrong but i doubt

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if we would have that kind of input to

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the white house but we will have input

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into this committee now you can call

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this committee majestic 12 nj12 or

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zodiac whatever you call it um the name

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doesn't matter

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likely is a committee making decisions

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as to what the policymakers

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aoi msg from now on i don't know um

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but it's it's not folks out there like

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talking to the public um

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in the public space like lou will go

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then straight to the policy makers but

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there's got to be some layer

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and to actually to those who interface

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i've always thought

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john that there you know when i i had

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never heard of majestic 12 until i

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became part of this community as i

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wasn't really

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tracking ufos beyond my own interest and

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belief in them which i was hiding

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very specifically but i've always felt

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that in order to keep people that have a

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need to know and when i say need to know

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president sec deaf joint joint chiefs

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types in order to have something so in

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you know from 1947 until now to maybe

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have a craft or have bodies or have

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something but to keep them from knowing

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there would have to be some sort of a

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construct to keep people with the need

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to know from knowing so do you

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think that that such a construct existed

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i would have to think that there is

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something like that

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otherwise this is the best kept

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government secret in a long time and

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the fact that you know originally there

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the roswell newspaper

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people forgot about it for a long long

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time until you know ufologists decades

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later resurrected it

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was just plainly forgotten in the

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meantime we did get like movies and tv

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um talking about flying saucers flying

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saucers attacking washington dc whatever

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of trying to get the public prepared for

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the existence of

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other beings visiting the planet and

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they may not all be

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unfriendly beings but it seems like

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there was a preparation going on of

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preparing the public

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for the reality of this happening

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uh yeah i i would think that there is

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some kind of construct but i think part

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um let's prepare the public first

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and i think that's what we're seeing um

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in the last five years we've been

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far better than the previous several

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that since 2017 um this entire topic has

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really risen to the level where

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it's in actual legislation uh the law of

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the land if you will and that's never

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happened before so

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maybe that's all part of the construct

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as well is that we need to like prepare

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the public and then we need to like have

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construct above everything

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to bring it up to the level of

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legislation so that

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there's some way of for witnesses

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either in government or the military

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um to come forward and be questioned by

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a congressional committee

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under oath and so that's never happened

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before there was nothing to allow that

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to happen unless it happened behind

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closed doors but now that's how and then

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we have a reporting uh periodicity

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remind everyone that there's also a

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intelligence authorization act of fy 22

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that had a 90-day interval i'm not sure

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exactly what happened to the iaa fy22

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called out

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not aoimsg but they said in that

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legislation that the national air and

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space intelligence

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could take a major role in the study of

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this phenomenon and nasa of course is

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what

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during the actual time of roswell

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so it's like preparing

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the groundwork first

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and then

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we can then

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understand exactly what's going on if

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there are like public hearings or if

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there is a report that can be made to

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the public

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but really there's a

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a role here for citizen science

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and i would think that because it's a

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congressional committee they can

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subpoena any witness they want i would i

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would hope that they'll extend an

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invitation out to

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folks in the civilian sector um like

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experiencers personal experiencers

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under the construct of maybe scu or

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any of the other organizations like

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project galileo i mean i think they

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should like have a seat at the table

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and testify before congress have these

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experts show up in public

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um on for the record i would love to see

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a uh congressional

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um

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hearing and have and see like eric w

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davis and uh

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sitting at the table there right i would

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love to have them like being questioned

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by congress what do you know what did

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you work on

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in

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perhaps that old guard

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that construct if it existed

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knows what happened from 47 until 2017.

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and they're not getting that right

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that's what the iaa if you look at the

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language

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it states a 90-day report interval and

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also

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everything that may have occurred or any

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files that the government may have

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have been holding

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prior to the first 90 days

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so whenever that legislation is passed

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the 90-day clock ticks for that and

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within the first 90 days a report is due

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and also any report or anything in the

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files prior to that 90-day clock ticking

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so

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if i'm reading it right it seems like it

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would open up more of the files going

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back uh several decades

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and reminder iaa doesn't affect the

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pentagon as much as affects cia

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so you have two very separate attempts

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or

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one from the military side through the

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i would say no legislative

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influence over cia and you have the iaa

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which

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totally has legislative influence over

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cia but not so much the pentagon so you

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have like

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what does the military know what does

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the civilian intelligence agencies know

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and together they might be able to put

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together a broader story

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if i could ask just to follow before we

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hint off to kevin i so

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there's this um

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sort of concept in education where

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you're stacking

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ideas before you proceed on to something

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else so

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you're laying out

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levels of understanding

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and you're building on top of those

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levels so that you can understand the

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full picture you don't jump all of a

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sudden to graduate you know class

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so

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the concept of hearings in congress

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i guess i struggle with that a little

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bit because of just the

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what i would think would be kind of the

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the uncontrollable nature of

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what what is just going to be said and

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from from how many different sources and

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then how do you

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compile all of that disparate

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information

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into a singular kind of narrative that

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congress can work with and make

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decisions from

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uh you know maybe it comes back to the

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committee that you were alluding to that

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that could kind of help steer the

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conversation or steer the types of folks

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that the congress would call to those

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hearings but what is your sense in which

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we would have to stack you know kind of

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concepts

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sequentially before we get to some of

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the stranger things that we hear about

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you know i think skin walkers at the

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pentagon is a great you know example of

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that end of the spectrum

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well before

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anything happens before a congressional

403
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committee there's a lot of staff work

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involved and that's why the staffs are

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there

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um the staff will go out and

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try to

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spectrum

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of this phenomenon and then try to

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divide it up into something that makes

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logical sense

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for the members

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so when you see a congressional

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committee on c-span

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before that committee meets i mean for

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maybe weeks or months before that

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they're doing this other work at the

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staff level

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hidden away

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um for the staff to prepare

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the members uh questions they can ask

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so a lot of that happens and then um

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before staff they can go and actually do

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interviews with principals to see like

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the members have these questions they

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want to ask

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um what is your preliminary answer you

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know what what can you say

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also be under oath when you talk to a

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congressional staff you know you're

431
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basically under oath as well

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um i've been questioned by congressional

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staff um

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uh for the hipsie the house permanent

435
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select committee on intelligence before

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they were doing an investigation of why

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there were so many of these

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um technical elent labs all over the

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community and we had one nsa had one

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uh missile space intelligence center

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huntsville alabama had one there's one

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at nasa i mean everywhere there was

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there were labs like like the one we

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that we had at cia headquarters no one

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know

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why is there such redundancy so i

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provided them with information on why we

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did what we did and they gathered all

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that together

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questioning my counterparts and the

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other agencies and then presented that

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before

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the full committee

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doing that committee work ahead of time

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so that then the committee then can

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bring forward the leaders of these

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agencies and ask them questions about

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why are there so many

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uh different labs um so that's an

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example

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that i participated in you will never

462
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you cannot foil that it's not something

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that's documented at all so when people

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say well did this person actually brief

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or uh

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the the committee um

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first of all

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you don't brief congress you do not

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brief congress congress

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um

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asks you questions they inquire it's an

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inquiry so you're not lecturing or

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briefing congress on anything however

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having said that the committee can then

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before that

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would take place the committee will

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gather a lot of information so you can

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actually appear before a committee quote

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unquote without having any kind of foia

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document

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happened

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because you will never find that john

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ramirez provided testimony

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for a congressional staffer on the

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question that the committee hipsie had

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on that issue i talked about about the

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all these labs so

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thank you

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all right well first of all john

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thank you for being here

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um i'm a huge fan of your work

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um

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so what i usually do is a comic bit but

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instead i i actually since the last time

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you're on you're you're on this show i

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actually had an experience of my own

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that i would like actually i'd like your

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input on so would you be willing to do

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that

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i'll try

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okay okay so i

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so i'm a behaviorist um i write stuff

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basically without interpretations i just

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throw up the facts so hopefully that

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will be easier for you guys so um i have

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times so this started at

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10 22 p.m it was january 31st on monday

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all right so i was in the living room

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laying and sitting on my couch all right

510
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i'm watching um uncharted x on youtube

511
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some you know ancient stuff um my wife

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says good night lets the dog out for the

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usual routine this is the same routine

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we do every night so at 10 25 she lets

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the dog in

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she locks the back sliding door and she

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bars it now this is a it's a it's a nice

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bar it's a very thick pvc pipe and

519
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that's important later all right

520
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so

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all right i stand up turn the

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playstation and the speaker's off and

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then

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nothing

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3 am

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i wake up sitting position on the couch

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all right so um at the time

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i kind of thought it was cool i was like

529
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hey maybe something happened but i was

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kind of too tired to dig into it so i

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you know shrugged laughed went back to

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bed

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so 6 30 in the morning um wife wakes up

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does lets the dog out does the routine

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but she finds the sliding door unlocked

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and unbarred

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the playstation and speakers are powered

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off all right now we also have security

539
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cameras in our house to monitor the

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rooms so you know we think that's weird

541
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so we go hey let's go look at the

542
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security camera because it's weird why

543
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did i wake up at 3am with you know

544
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nothing why are the doors unlocked so um

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you check the camera so between 11 p.m

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and 3 a.m the cloud will not allow her

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access to the footage

548
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and we still to this day we cannot get

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the footage

550
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i we don't know why

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all right and uh so the next morning

552
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also i have um sciatic nerve flare-up on

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my left hip

554
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i can't walk without extreme pain i have

555
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i have a condition but you know it

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flares up but this this morning it was

557
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really bad

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so um yeah do you have

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do you have any uh

560
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any insight on what happened

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no i don't um

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that's that's definitely high

563
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strangeness

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i've heard before that people with uh

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security cameras like they may have some

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nest cameras around that when

567
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things like that happen

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all they get is static for that period

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of time and they get absolutely no no

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images it's interesting that you said

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you had a sciatic flare-up

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because i will say um since you shared i

573
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,280
will share

574
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:03,919
i've also had the sciatic flare-up

575
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:04,880
for

576
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,280
the last two or three weeks on the left

577
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:09,200
side

578
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,440
um i haven't had this since 2017.

579
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:19,520
it flared up again and what happened and

580
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,640
it's actually

581
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,440
uh it happened toward the

582
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,159
oh i would say the like late fall of

583
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,640
2017 that this happened

584
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:30,960
okay that's around the time

585
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:32,240
that uh

586
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,000
tic tac happened it was november of 2017

587
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,559
and right about the same time i had this

588
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:41,440
sciatic flare-up i could literally walk

589
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:42,640
very well

590
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,159
yeah and so last couple of weeks uh this

591
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:48,880
year in 2022 i've also had another

592
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:51,919
recurrence of what you've been suffering

593
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:54,799
so i know the pain of a sciatic

594
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,320
left side yeah i know that and uh so um

595
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,640
also another interesting thing so i've

596
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,039
had speaking of left side since

597
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,440
since childhood or unknown i've had a

598
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:08,080
scar i have a scoop mark on my left hip

599
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,039
also

600
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,960
i actually have a picture

601
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:12,640
of it if you would like to see that that

602
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,520
um

603
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,200
i posted now this thing it's big it's

604
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:17,039
about the size of my as round as my

605
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,000
thumb

606
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:20,080
so if you can see the the white

607
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,440
the roundness of it i mean it's

608
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,400
definitely a scoop mark it's pretty deep

609
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:25,679
and i yeah i don't know where it came

610
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:26,559
from

611
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,480
um since childhood

612
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,880
sleep paralysis i have that i know a lot

613
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,880
of experiences that you guys you guys

614
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:34,799
get sleep paralysis too

615
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,679
so

616
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,120
i don't know i'm starting to put things

617
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:38,720
together

618
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,360
with i mean do you have any in

619
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:43,440
insight about maybe the scoop mark on my

620
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,720
hip

621
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,679
um

622
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,000
they seem to appear different

623
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,279
uh differently um yeah i know i have a

624
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,240
friend at uh

625
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:56,960
uh cia well he's retired now but he was

626
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,159
a cia friend and uh he had

627
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,640
two scoop marks um almost identical

628
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,480
scoop marks

629
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:06,720
one on his left arm one on his right arm

630
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,679
they're almost symmetric in positioning

631
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,919
size depth everything

632
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:14,240
and he's also an experiencer

633
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,600
as well

634
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:16,880
and

635
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,520
uh mr jim semivan

636
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,360
uh said something about

637
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:25,360
having some kind of markings i think he

638
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,559
said that

639
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:28,559
that there were some kind of markings to

640
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,919
george knapp

641
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,320
that he may have experienced something

642
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,799
like that some kind of

643
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:35,760
um

644
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,919
i think he's used the word puncture like

645
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,360
a puncture

646
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,400
um but uh

647
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,240
i would think that's kind of universal

648
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,080
that you know you see things on your

649
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,320
body that you can't explain

650
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:50,640
and then you know it's a company with

651
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,360
like

652
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,200
high strangeness events uh sleep

653
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:54,960
paralysis over

654
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:57,760
um well for me it was since since i can

655
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:00,720
remember as a child

656
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,240
but i don't i think that's kind of uh

657
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,720
indicative of being an experiencer and

658
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,720
having experiences and maybe not being a

659
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:09,919
remember

660
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,880
what helped me was to get that

661
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,400
regression therapy

662
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,799
called qhht quantum healing hypnosis

663
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,840
technique

664
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,000
uh divorce cannon uh

665
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,080
modality and there are practice

666
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,480
practitioners just about everywhere

667
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,159
my wife and i found one here in the

668
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,159
tucson area in fact we invited her to

669
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:30,240
our home for a social event

670
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,720
and so these qhht practitioners they

671
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,840
um

672
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:38,000
if you go to a regular therapist they're

673
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,360
going to assume that something's wrong

674
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,960
with you

675
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,799
they want to medicate

676
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,159
you know if they can write prescriptions

677
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:45,600
they want to medicate you right away you

678
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,120
know um but the qhht practitioners

679
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:51,200
um they deal with high strangeness all

680
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,320
the time

681
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,360
um and also for those who can't remember

682
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,919
or maybe have disturbing

683
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,520
experiences

684
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,320
it's the uh or the organization for

685
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,080
paranormal understanding and support

686
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:06,799
opus network opus yeah

687
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,600
u.s network and

688
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,679
if you look on their website i mean

689
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:13,679
they're all about helping people with

690
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,320
experiences either to remember them or

691
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:17,840
to be able to

692
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:19,170
understand them or

693
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,480
[Music]

694
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,159
kind of take them through if it was a

695
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:24,799
disturbing aspect trying to help them

696
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,440
but with unkindness and understanding

697
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,960
and love you know for the experience

698
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:30,720
there not that oh something's wrong with

699
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,000
you and so i'm a supporter of the opus

700
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,159
network i think they're great and also

701
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,480
qht practitioners

702
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,039
uh there's probably several near

703
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,720
like in any major city would have

704
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,080
several

705
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,919
practitioners like that

706
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,000
and nathan nathan and our our first

707
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,880
guest was uh carlene was the dolores

708
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:53,279
cannon disciple as well and she lives in

709
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,120
i want to s is it in oregon right nathan

710
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,360
so we'll we can connect you up with her

711
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,000
uh kev maybe that's a connection that

712
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:03,760
can be made if you can't find one right

713
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,360
in the sacramento area um so yeah and

714
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,960
you know if i were a phenomenon and i

715
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,360
were looking for biological samples i

716
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:13,440
take a look at kevin's hair i would

717
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,000
definitely want that i would you know

718
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,000
for me i would take a look at me and go

719
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,880
you know what we're we're good for today

720
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:22,799
but with kevin i think they would want

721
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,760
it uh deb maybe i'm a hybrid yeah

722
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,240
it's quite possible debs i mean we have

723
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,760
you're like the tiger that needs to be

724
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,200
let out of her cage so i'm just gonna go

725
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,960
ahead and unlock the cage go ahead thank

726
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:34,399
you

727
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,360
yeah um so i know that we're gonna go

728
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:39,919
into this in more detail in the future

729
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:43,760
um about experiencer help um on the dojo

730
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,240
but i wanted to give you a chance to

731
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:48,960
explain to people about the hypnosis

732
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,080
method that you're using because um you

733
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,320
mentioned it again you mentioned it

734
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,480
in other interviews and i i think people

735
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,480
need to understand that it might not be

736
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,399
necessarily the same type of hypnosis

737
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:02,640
that they're imagining can you tell

738
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,679
people

739
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,600
more about the specific type that you

740
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,399
were utilizing

741
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,360
um so i the qhht

742
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,520
modality

743
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,440
is

744
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,350
being able to not necessarily regress

745
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:24,080
you but putting you into a

746
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,440
a state

747
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,799
where

748
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,159
you are

749
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,640
talking more um

750
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,559
the practitioners talking more to your

751
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:34,080
higher self

752
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:35,600
and than to you

753
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,559
and so uh what my practitioner did was

754
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,399
to

755
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:43,600
take me through some various

756
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,159
kind of vision exercises

757
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:48,799
ultimately it was like

758
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,600
floating on a floating in the sky on a

759
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,679
cloud sitting on a cloud

760
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:55,840
and

761
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,159
then you know just describing what i see

762
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,640
around me describing my feelings and my

763
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,080
sensations

764
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,720
um is it warm you know because the sun

765
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:07,360
is there and do you feel safe and then

766
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,799
gradually like bringing me down gently

767
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,120
and then at the point where i touched

768
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:15,360
the earth again she asked me what do you

769
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,559
see now

770
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,360
and so in that state of mind which took

771
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:21,760
about five minutes to do in that state

772
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:25,440
of mind um i was able to like imagine

773
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,960
like vividly being at some place other

774
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:30,559
than where i was at

775
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,760
and i started to refer to myself as he

776
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,440
not me

777
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,039
and when she

778
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,840
would ask me questions she's asking my

779
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,120
higher self

780
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,480
referring to me in the third person

781
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:46,240
and i refer to myself in the third

782
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:47,520
person

783
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,559
and so that was basically

784
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,399
what i experienced

785
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,399
and they don't lead they don't

786
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,240
ask leading questions

787
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,720
um they actually ask you to describe

788
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,960
what you see how you feel

789
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,840
uh

790
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:03,600
look this way look that way from

791
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,159
wherever you're at and describe

792
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:08,960
what you see and so i took her

793
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,000
through some various like

794
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,159
um

795
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,399
past lives that i had

796
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:18,960
and it's recorded it's on um

797
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,159
i have an mp3 of of my hour and a half

798
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,080
almost two hour session

799
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:26,960
and recently i i listened to it again i

800
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,000
haven't heard it since it first occurred

801
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,000
um several years ago and i listened to

802
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:34,000
it again i was really surprised at what

803
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:35,679
i said

804
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,640
and uh so it's it's

805
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,120
it's an interesting modality um because

806
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,880
it doesn't assume

807
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,760
um

808
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,000
like there's any outcome there is no

809
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,840
outcome there's no expectation you just

810
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:50,080
describe what you see what you are

811
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,760
feeling

812
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,720
so

813
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,720
that's the best i can describe it there

814
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,600
are several qhht

815
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,600
videos on youtube if you want to see a

816
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,519
sample session

817
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,440
there's several there

818
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:06,080
there's a woman named sarah

819
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,840
brexman cosmi

820
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,159
and she's a level three qhht

821
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,720
practitioner who works with the daughter

822
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,120
of dolores cannon oh wow she's

823
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:16,799
partnering with the daughter of dolores

824
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:23,750
documented with permission of the client

825
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,399
several other qhc sessions and there's a

826
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:28,399
youtube channel you can look up

827
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:32,320
sarah brexman cosmi and look at a sample

828
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,870
i'm interested to do it uh deb do you

829
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,480
have a follow-up for that are we going

830
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,000
well first of all i wanted to say thank

831
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,640
you um i was writing down notes because

832
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,880
that's what i do i was like okay i'll go

833
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,720
take a look at that

834
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,279
but um but i was gonna say that i was

835
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:53,919
just my only other thought is

836
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,880
um sometimes personally for me when i

837
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,640
meditate i don't give myself an

838
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,720
expectation and i have just really

839
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,120
unusual meditation experiences and i

840
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,919
wonder if i'm touching on that somehow

841
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,760
that same kind of

842
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,480
whatever that experience is and if if

843
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:12,000
you think that something other people

844
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:15,679
can kind of bump into also accidentally

845
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,269
um yeah when i meditate i don't have

846
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,440
expectations either

847
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,720
basically

848
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,360
i do my meditation

849
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,360
originally

850
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,960
i was taught by

851
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:33,600
another of one of my light workers glenn

852
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,559
younger glenn with two ends younger

853
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,039
she lives in vicenza italy i met her in

854
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,360
charlotte north carolina

855
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,440
um she was actually during her

856
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:44,720
meditation

857
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,679
um

858
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:47,760
it came to her that she needed to go to

859
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:50,320
this location i was at and she showed up

860
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:53,679
and we just struck a conversation and um

861
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,039
we just like meshed so well together um

862
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,279
because she's an experiencer as well

863
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,960
and uh

864
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:01,840
through

865
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,880
her meditation technique um

866
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:07,279
which is also on youtube uh

867
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,440
it first it sort of like tunes you

868
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,840
to be receptive to any messages so

869
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,480
there's a this idea of you know

870
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,200
imagining all your energy into a like a

871
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,120
sphere or a ball

872
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,720
and then and then just concentrating it

873
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:26,159
um

874
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,519
or right right under your heart chakra

875
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,000
and then sending it down to the to the

876
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,279
lower chakras into the earth

877
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,200
and thanking the earth and

878
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,360
also asking earth's forgiveness for all

879
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,600
the things that we've done to harm her

880
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,440
and bring that energy the earth energy

881
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,919
back up to through you and out through

882
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,919
your crown chakra

883
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,360
um and then

884
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,240
out into the cosmos and just

885
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,480
thanking the cosmos and just saying i'm

886
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:58,399
open for any messages that you might

887
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,519
have for me

888
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,080
and then bring it all back and that

889
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,880
usually works for me very well and i

890
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:07,039
close my eyes and all of a sudden i see

891
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:08,079
images

892
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,280
pop up

893
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,760
um and they're like for me they're kind

894
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,599
of shaded green

895
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:15,919
that's my color it's my favorite color

896
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:18,560
um and so i see green images of things

897
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,599
that

898
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,679
i ask questions about you know like it's

899
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,919
an opportunity to ask questions

900
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,159
um and you might not get an answer right

901
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,320
away but you're putting forth um an

902
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:30,240
intention or a manifestation to the

903
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:31,839
universe and

904
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:35,119
so far i i'm surprised how well it

905
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,159
worked

906
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,720
uh for me uh that i sometimes get

907
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,960
answers the very same day and sometimes

908
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,639
it might take weeks or months but the

909
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,240
answer comes

910
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,879
um so that's just remarkable this type

911
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,000
of meditation that she teaches

912
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,720
as well so that's what i do and i'm sure

913
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,879
everyone has their own meditation

914
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:57,040
techniques

915
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,720
but the the idea is to you know dedicate

916
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,880
that meditation for your own good and

917
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,480
for the good of others

918
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,240
because you're asking questions and you

919
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,480
want the answer but you want to dedicate

920
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:10,079
that answer

921
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:10,960
um

922
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,520
to do no harm uh to use the hippocratic

923
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:16,320
of uh do no harm and that you that you

924
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:17,680
want to thank it

925
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,160
uh that message uh and the messenger um

926
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,400
and so it's it's like

927
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,920
you feel this unconditional love you

928
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,560
feel this connection um

929
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,280
to everything and it's hard to describe

930
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:32,960
but i don't use the the term

931
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:35,839
unconditional love lightly i mean i you

932
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,720
really feel connected to everything

933
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,720
during the during the meditation i was

934
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,040
taught and you are very

935
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,960
receptive at that point

936
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,599
um for these various messages

937
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:49,599
and it's not that i need to understand

938
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,720
the message

939
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,040
right away or understand the experience

940
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,160
right away but to store it away to put

941
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,400
it away to archive it because in the

942
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,160
future um

943
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,400
i'll be able to tap into that and it

944
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:04,640
will help me in some other aspect of my

945
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,839
life

946
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,760
so it's been like i said it's been very

947
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,599
effective and i recommend glenn

948
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,880
younger's

949
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,680
modality it's it really really works

950
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,000
i i love that i have a very deep

951
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,000
connection with the earth i love

952
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:21,040
touching the mud and the sand and the

953
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,000
bark

954
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,960
and the and the water and leaves and

955
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,560
when i'm in the uh

956
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,240
when i'm in the forest which these guys

957
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,240
know is basically almost every single

958
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,599
day that i'm off

959
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,800
of work i'm i it's a tactile experience

960
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,320
for me but i would love to try that

961
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,480
modality and two interesting things from

962
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,480
what you said is one is your favorite

963
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,480
color is the color of the heart chakra

964
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:43,599
is green

965
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,800
and when you talked about non-harming uh

966
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,040
that's ahimsa in the one of the five

967
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:51,119
limbs uh the eight limbs of yoga rather

968
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,839
but

969
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,000
part of the first the yamas and the

970
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,200
yamas ahimsa is non-harming so

971
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,680
see that uh me and uh him are more

972
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:01,200
connected by more things than just the

973
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,320
military

974
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,720
uh money nathan yeah i love that and

975
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:06,560
john i love that uh

976
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,520
you're so forthcoming in your personal

977
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,119
experiences i think

978
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,800
um

979
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,560
you know growing up in the u.s and the

980
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,920
west

981
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,000
my perception of

982
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:21,119
government agencies is just entirely

983
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:22,400
painted by

984
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,520
hollywood and television and it it's a

985
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,880
very kind of

986
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:27,839
uh

987
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,320
mechanistic and reductionistic

988
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,640
way of looking at that function and and

989
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:34,320
i i appreciate you

990
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:37,520
just being a person uh who hasn't

991
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,240
happens to have an informed opinion and

992
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,240
and i i think it's helpful for folks and

993
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:44,880
when we dj we and i talked with uh some

994
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,760
pilots it's helpful for folks to

995
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,880
i think

996
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,720
understand that there are human beings

997
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:53,599
behind all these agencies and and

998
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:55,040
particularly when we're talking about

999
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,400
intelligence uh it's important that we

1000
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,320
bring in that human element and bring in

1001
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,640
lots of different perspectives

1002
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,560
in some ways i would imagine working in

1003
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,119
intelligence as a creative act

1004
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,160
is that would you how would you kind of

1005
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:12,320
weigh in on that in terms of the level

1006
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,200
of

1007
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,079
outside the box thinking creativity uh

1008
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,400
bouncing ideas off of your colleagues

1009
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,599
to getting at models that better explain

1010
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,119
what it is that our

1011
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,280
our intelligent art our pieces of

1012
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:28,079
intelligence really mean

1013
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,920
right so everyone brings their own

1014
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,000
experiences and their own biases and

1015
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,359
their own world views to any job

1016
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,160
that's maybe the way we were taught we

1017
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,359
were raised in whatever situation

1018
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,599
social economic situation we may have

1019
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,119
lived through

1020
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,800
in our younger years

1021
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,720
but in the intelligence community we're

1022
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:51,119
basically looking at facts

1023
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,560
and

1024
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:55,119
the interpretation of those facts

1025
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,400
is

1026
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,079
based on other

1027
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,800
sources of data so it's not like we're

1028
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,800
presenting opinions

1029
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,119
we don't present opinions

1030
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:07,200
to the policy makers

1031
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:08,160
however

1032
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:08,960
we

1033
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,680
do take in just about everyone else's

1034
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:13,599
opinions out there

1035
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,119
that may exist or for a particular issue

1036
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,400
and we also have within the cia for

1037
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,160
example we have

1038
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:24,079
people who are

1039
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,920
well-versed and trained their their

1040
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:27,599
medical professionals

1041
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,040
into thinking about what that leader

1042
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:32,960
might be

1043
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,599
basing his or her decision on

1044
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:38,720
looking back at that leader's life

1045
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,800
and whatever like um

1046
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,560
long-term

1047
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:46,640
goals that leader might have based on

1048
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,520
his or her own personal experiences

1049
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,119
and so that's kind of what we call

1050
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:52,880
leadership analysis

1051
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:55,520
and that helps us to couch things in

1052
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,720
terms of why that leader is behaving

1053
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,599
the way that leader is behaving you know

1054
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,760
what what what is driving that leader to

1055
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:06,079
act or to think in that way what is that

1056
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:08,000
leader's world view

1057
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:12,400
and so um together with that type of

1058
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:15,839
information with technical information

1059
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,200
and with other sources um telling us you

1060
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,800
know informing us

1061
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:22,640
what's going on behind the scenes in

1062
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:27,599
another country we're able to then

1063
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,990
what's

1064
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,359
what

1065
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,280
events might be happening

1066
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,599
and so we use the terms in fact we use

1067
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,920
the terms we judge we assess we believe

1068
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,599
each one of those carries a certain

1069
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,119
weight

1070
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:45,520
behind it and

1071
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,640
so when we say we believe

1072
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,640
that's based on like

1073
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,560
some assumptions there

1074
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,400
because it's a belief

1075
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,240
we don't have enough information but

1076
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,319
based on the scan information we have we

1077
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,839
believe

1078
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:02,000
we judge is a little bit

1079
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,520
higher than that

1080
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,000
because when we judge about something we

1081
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:07,920
take these

1082
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:10,240
beliefs and we have maybe some more

1083
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:13,440
information to make a judgment

1084
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,240
but when we say we assess that means we

1085
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,040
have a lot of information and so an

1086
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:22,000
assessment that comes at um

1087
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,839
a much higher degree of

1088
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,160
verifiability ability

1089
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,720
that we do have excellent sources and so

1090
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,880
when we assess something it's just to be

1091
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,640
taken seriously

1092
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,359
so we have various levels of of

1093
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,640
understanding

1094
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,119
and so we're trained we go to a school

1095
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:43,680
called the sherman kent school for

1096
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,480
analysis every new analyst

1097
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:48,480
at cia every new hire

1098
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,520
will go through uh weeks and weeks

1099
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,000
of how to be an intelligence analyst

1100
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,400
regardless of their academic training we

1101
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,880
have phds as well as folks with

1102
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,560
bachelor's degrees going through the

1103
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,200
same course how to be an analyst how to

1104
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,359
do critical thinking

1105
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,440
economy of words is another one how do

1106
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,240
we express ourselves using uh precise

1107
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,440
language with the fewest words possible

1108
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,680
so there's a way we write and is we

1109
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,240
teach them how to write the cia way we

1110
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:20,240
teach them how to diagram sentences like

1111
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,520
we used to do in school i don't know if

1112
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:22,960
they do that anymore

1113
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,440
but you know noun verb and some modifier

1114
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:27,040
this is the way we write

1115
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,240
and so

1116
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,560
in fact the clue is

1117
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,359
that the new york times

1118
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,680
style guide is probably pretty close to

1119
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,000
what the cia

1120
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,079
follows the new york times style guide

1121
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,480
and the way we construct sentences

1122
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,599
so

1123
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,119
that's the best answer i can give it's

1124
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:47,119
been so long since i've been an analyst

1125
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,480
but well it's fascinating and do you

1126
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:50,160
think that we have uh

1127
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:51,040
uh

1128
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:52,560
you know enough of a picture of the

1129
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,000
phenomenon now to be able to construct

1130
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,960
those uh conclusions or assessments

1131
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,480
or you know what would it take for us to

1132
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,760
get

1133
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,440
what kind of access would we need to be

1134
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,599
able to get to that place you know is it

1135
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,520
through the task force is it you know

1136
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,760
getting not just what we have from our

1137
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,160
sensors but also our experiencers how

1138
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:13,920
much would we need to go to put together

1139
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:16,560
in your opinion a a more fulsome picture

1140
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:17,599
of

1141
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,560
we're definitely more than what's

1142
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,720
collected technically because what's

1143
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,720
collected technically is what you see

1144
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,280
now um what you see

1145
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:29,599
when you watch the tic tac video or the

1146
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,319
gimbal or go fast videos

1147
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,200
or what citizens have recorded with

1148
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,599
their own cameras

1149
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,040
that can be considered technical

1150
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,319
intelligence um but what differentiates

1151
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,240
government technical intelligence is

1152
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,119
that it's instrumented that is to say

1153
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,960
that instead of just seeing an orbit

1154
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,960
like we can actually measure what

1155
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,880
wavelengths that orbital light might be

1156
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,400
transmitting

1157
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,079
there could be electromagnetic

1158
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,640
transmissions coming from that craft for

1159
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,680
example

1160
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:01,200
some

1161
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,560
influence of the field around it that we

1162
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,880
can collect technically

1163
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,040
but that just gives you the nuts and

1164
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,119
bolts

1165
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,599
idea of what we're seeing

1166
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,079
what's really important is

1167
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:20,240
to incorporate

1168
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,280
how

1169
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,359
seeing something like that

1170
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,599
influences or

1171
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,560
um

1172
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,160
i don't know of a better word than

1173
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:30,880
influence but how do we feel about what

1174
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,839
we saw what meanings do we attribute to

1175
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,319
what we saw because everyone who seems

1176
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,640
to have or i would say not everyone but

1177
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:39,760
most people

1178
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,359
who've experienced this phenomenon

1179
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,640
was affected by it in some way

1180
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:49,680
and in most people it just opens up uh

1181
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,960
channels of curiosity to just learn more

1182
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,240
and i don't want to call it an

1183
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,000
obsessional compulsion but all of a

1184
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,400
sudden you're just so interested in

1185
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,319
finding out more and more information

1186
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,440
about what what one might have witnessed

1187
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,520
and so that needs to be incorporated as

1188
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,760
well and i would say that

1189
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,839
um in within government there are many

1190
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:11,440
many experiences

1191
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:12,880
as i said

1192
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,599
and so they need to also

1193
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,400
be able to have a voice and whatever

1194
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,520
investigation that might occur

1195
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,640
officially because just just

1196
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:26,480
being able to photograph

1197
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,760
these craft or these orbs and just being

1198
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,599
able to measure you know

1199
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,640
scientifically what they mean

1200
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:36,880
or just analyzing meta materials it

1201
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:39,520
doesn't really tell us why they're here

1202
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,640
and why do some of us interact with this

1203
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,599
phenomenon on a person-to-person basis

1204
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:47,119
the experiences we have are very

1205
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,160
important

1206
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,520
so i'm hoping that congress will like

1207
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:53,040
open up channels for that type of

1208
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:54,319
investigation

1209
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:55,359
to occur

1210
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,640
and actually ask the pentagon ask cia

1211
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,200
about the experiences that maybe some of

1212
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,760
us have had i'd be happy to

1213
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,400
be a witness uh to tell

1214
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,480
congress and share with congress what

1215
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,720
what i experienced

1216
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,720
while i was at cia and i'm sure there

1217
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,960
are other cia officers and in fact jim

1218
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,079
semivan

1219
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,160
uh recently

1220
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,240
revealed some of his experiences while

1221
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:22,800
he was working at cia

1222
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,760
so i'm sure there's a lot of information

1223
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,839
that can help us understand this

1224
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,960
phenomenon

1225
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,480
at a deeper level because that's where

1226
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,800
it really counts it's the message

1227
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,560
i don't care how they arrived i don't

1228
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,560
care who's driving them i want to know

1229
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,839
why they're here and why they're

1230
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,160
interacting with me and why do i receive

1231
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,000
the messages i've received and what

1232
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,680
others have received

1233
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,920
that's very important as well

1234
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,520
i think our challenge is going to be if

1235
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,680
those end up in the unclass side that we

1236
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,000
get in a report or if they remain behind

1237
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,480
the classified side if they are in fact

1238
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,720
briefed whatever they whatever

1239
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,040
intelligence they're gathering in uh

1240
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,839
i'm hearing i'm hearing numbers like 15

1241
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,760
reports a month was a guesstimate from

1242
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:06,000
somebody in the know i don't know i'm

1243
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,440
gonna try to get a better number out

1244
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,800
there but that's

1245
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:10,480
that's significant that's you know like

1246
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,480
180 you know or so a year but um

1247
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,040
uh i i did appreciate nathan bringing up

1248
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,520
the humanization of people that do this

1249
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,440
uh chris i just want to throw out there

1250
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,280
i know that john's familiar with chris

1251
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,280
lato but i also want to let the audience

1252
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,839
know he just did an episode with uh a

1253
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:29,839
guy named artisan tony who i was

1254
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,079
unfamiliar with who's extremely uh

1255
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,000
bright person and another person who i

1256
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,720
believe was a physicist and lou elizondo

1257
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,480
and you want to talk about

1258
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:41,200
chris lato beyond being an f-16 pilot

1259
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,640
has a comp scientific component to him

1260
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,839
that is

1261
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,760
beyond what i knew and nathan and i have

1262
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:49,119
interviewed the guy

1263
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:50,640
so i mean

1264
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,559
it's a fascinating go go into your

1265
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,880
youtube and find that troy broskovitz

1266
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:57,280
was on with us uh john he was a retired

1267
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,599
colonel i flew with broskovitz in

1268
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,160
special ops but he did a significant

1269
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,880
amount of time in joint special ops on

1270
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,440
the um let's say the command and staff

1271
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:09,280
side for for jsoc

1272
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,400
and a brilliant guy and very interested

1273
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,720
to learn and open to learn and that's

1274
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,640
not something that would have happened

1275
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,160
you know when we were active duty he's

1276
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,400
retired now flying from the airlines but

1277
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,559
so yeah humanization so thank you nathan

1278
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:25,200
for bringing that topic up um

1279
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,480
i i wanted to ask you john um

1280
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,960
if your primary mission is disclosure i

1281
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:32,480
think you've acknowledged that on a

1282
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,920
number of occasions and it has really

1283
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,359
helped us

1284
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,319
uh as a community because people can

1285
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,280
look at folks like yourself folks like

1286
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:45,359
jim and lou

1287
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,280
and alex and dave fraver and say okay

1288
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,119
we've got some leaders here who have

1289
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,839
some credibility within the system if

1290
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,319
you will now we can fall in behind and

1291
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,800
and and share our experiences and and

1292
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:01,359
and feel open to do that i would ask you

1293
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,400
if if that were your primary mission

1294
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,200
your secondary mission your connection

1295
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,599
to the phenomenon is

1296
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:11,839
what what do you see as your if that's

1297
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,760
your primary what is your secondary

1298
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,160
mission that drives you that when you

1299
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,400
get up in the morning you think about

1300
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,480
that in addition to disclosure we know

1301
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,319
disclosure is number one

1302
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,079
well it may surprise you that i don't

1303
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,960
think about this all the time in fact um

1304
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:29,520
uh it's been so much a part of my life

1305
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,319
that it's like everything else that's

1306
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,960
been a part of my life over a lifetime

1307
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,520
um it's i don't carve anything out for

1308
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:39,520
it other than

1309
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,319
my

1310
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:41,520
own

1311
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:44,960
mindful meditation practices and so i'm

1312
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,319
not thinking about uaps all the time

1313
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,760
the reason why

1314
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,839
i became more public is

1315
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,040
is because

1316
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,359
i know i had information to share

1317
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,440
and i just wanted to share it and i one

1318
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,079
of the things i wanted to share was that

1319
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,079
um there's more than just these craft or

1320
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,000
metallic flying in our skies there are

1321
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:06,880
these high strangeness um

1322
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,839
artifacts i call them we call them orbs

1323
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,000
that don't seem to be like structured

1324
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:14,800
craft yet they appear before people

1325
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,079
and convey messages or some it has some

1326
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,640
effect in people's lives

1327
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,079
that for me that was an important

1328
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,319
message to say that the government knows

1329
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:26,960
about these orbs it's not just the

1330
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,160
saucers are not just salsa shaped craft

1331
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,559
there are orbs that government is aware

1332
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:34,960
of and have studied

1333
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,359
before there was an all sap

1334
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,160
and they admit there may uh there might

1335
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:42,480
be a higher consciousness

1336
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,599
aspect

1337
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,240
to the appearance of these orbs

1338
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:49,680
in the sense that when we see these orbs

1339
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,040
um our lives change in some way um

1340
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,720
like i said there's there could be a

1341
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,319
personal message

1342
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,640
for that individual for me it was to

1343
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,400
okay you know a lot of things it's time

1344
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:01,680
for you to share

1345
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,040
so that occurred in july of 2020 and

1346
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,280
since that time um

1347
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,760
things have fallen into place in my life

1348
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,200
that i was

1349
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,880
introduced to certain people that i need

1350
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,559
to be introduced to

1351
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,680
and to

1352
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,240
be able to put together a presentation i

1353
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,760
did

1354
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,839
it's not that i want anybody to believe

1355
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,920
that presentation at all it's just

1356
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:26,079
that's my personal experience i'm

1357
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,680
sharing what

1358
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:29,920
i needed to do to put things together in

1359
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,800
my own head uh whether it resonates with

1360
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:34,960
people or not i wasn't too concerned

1361
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:37,599
about so it's not a mission of trying to

1362
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,280
convince people that what was in my

1363
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,440
presentation is true and this is it this

1364
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,119
is what's really going on

1365
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,440
i have no idea but that's what i

1366
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:47,359
experienced personally

1367
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:50,480
so secondarily it's more like helping

1368
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,960
individuals who've encountered phenomena

1369
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,000
that

1370
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:56,000
may not understand it

1371
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:57,680
and may need help

1372
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:00,960
and that's why i promote

1373
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,319
organizations such as opus or the qhht

1374
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,079
modality

1375
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,319
i support those efforts

1376
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,079
to help individuals

1377
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,000
and thirdly um

1378
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,559
i'm interested in what's known as uh exo

1379
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,079
diplomacy

1380
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:18,559
um you may have heard it as like the e.t

1381
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,079
embassy um i think you know it's like

1382
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,800
welcoming etc embassy from out there i

1383
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,720
think they're already here

1384
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:28,960
and they've been here a long time what i

1385
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,760
don't know is like has there been any

1386
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,839
interaction officially between the

1387
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:35,680
governments of this planet

1388
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,480
and these various um

1389
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,240
beings that appear

1390
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:42,000
and i don't think they're all the same

1391
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:43,359
beings i don't know if they're all

1392
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:44,480
friendly i don't know if they're all

1393
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:45,599
unfriendly

1394
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,760
but maybe there's been some alliances

1395
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:49,520
made that we don't know about you know

1396
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,720
that that's

1397
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,440
a big piece of that disclosure puzzle

1398
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:55,599
that i don't think we'll we'll actually

1399
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,000
hear about i think there'll

1400
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,400
uh always be like some somebody from

1401
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:02,240
somewhere else not that they're already

1402
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,119
here

1403
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,440
um and that's a big piece of it and so

1404
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,000
that's why i wanted to share that yes i

1405
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,240
wasn't a meeting at that hotel

1406
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,400
and that meeting actually did happen and

1407
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,240
the individuals involved sponsored a

1408
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:16,000
meeting they're real people

1409
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:19,920
um and they talk about the fact that um

1410
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:20,880
that

1411
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,760
uh humans have alien dna and we may be

1412
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:25,040
hybrids

1413
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,720
that meeting actually occurred that

1414
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,440
information i presented to

1415
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,119
two credible

1416
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,440
people in the field that i know would

1417
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,839
have the means to investigate

1418
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,760
what i revealed i told them the names of

1419
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,680
the people that were involved

1420
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,000
and my relationship to those people that

1421
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,160
were involved in that meeting so it's up

1422
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,319
to them to do the investigation if they

1423
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:48,480
so choose

1424
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:51,760
i don't have much doubt uh fl flareus

1425
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:54,810
are you up my friend

1426
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:00,950
my name is claire

1427
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:05,750
um

1428
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:09,119
i actually wanted to go back into

1429
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:10,720
consciousness actually we're kind of

1430
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,520
talking about that anyway but um

1431
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,960
remote viewing

1432
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,440
it's one of my favorite topics are you

1433
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:19,599
you're a remote viewer right are you

1434
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:20,720
trained

1435
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,440
no you're not okay no i dabbled in it

1436
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,359
like and i used the word devil because

1437
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,960
basically that's all i did like most

1438
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,240
people do

1439
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:30,880
what i did was um

1440
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:34,160
i purchased uh two of the kits um being

1441
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:35,280
sold by

1442
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,319
um ed dames and uh he was promoting

1443
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:40,000
these remote viewing kits i don't think

1444
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,880
they're

1445
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,359
available anymore but he was promoting

1446
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,520
a remote viewing kit during the era of

1447
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:48,240
art bell so i purchased that kit way

1448
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,359
back when

1449
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,559
and a more recent one um but there

1450
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:54,880
they've been like it's been over like a

1451
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:58,079
decade or so that i really like sat down

1452
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,680
and went through parts of that those

1453
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,040
courses

1454
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,040
so i got like a

1455
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:05,200
conversational understanding of remote

1456
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,480
viewing

1457
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,440
i've never really seriously

1458
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:10,960
did remote viewing

1459
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,599
however having said that i know that i

1460
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:15,200
did receive

1461
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,040
some data based on remote viewing during

1462
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,960
the course of my work

1463
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:21,920
and

1464
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,319
they didn't tell me what the source was

1465
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:26,640
because the first thing an analyst would

1466
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:30,240
want to know when receiving data was

1467
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:31,440
where did it come from how is it

1468
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,640
collected

1469
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,480
because that helps us validate the

1470
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,319
information that we have

1471
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:38,799
and i was told that it was from a very

1472
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,760
sensitive program and i said okay

1473
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:44,079
and uh it was just sketches those

1474
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,520
drawings

1475
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,079
and a description of the drawing and

1476
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,960
it's almost like a person that is like

1477
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,799
the way it was written it was almost as

1478
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:54,640
if the the person writing the

1479
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:58,240
description was describing a dream

1480
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:59,599
um and that

1481
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,760
it seemed like a dream so real that this

1482
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:04,000
person actually experienced something

1483
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:05,599
and it's very different from other

1484
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,319
pieces of data that i received that may

1485
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,160
come from a human source

1486
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:12,640
which is more cut and dry and

1487
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:14,839
reports officers and the director of

1488
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,680
operations they take that raw reporting

1489
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,760
from a source and they put it together

1490
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:21,119
in a report

1491
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:24,880
for the analysts can access and use

1492
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,280
it wasn't written like that it was more

1493
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,720
like

1494
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,040
oh this is my experience

1495
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:33,839
i saw this and um here's what i

1496
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,400
encountered so if you look at any of the

1497
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,200
released uh remote viewing reports it's

1498
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:42,319
very much like that with sketches and uh

1499
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:43,280
so

1500
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:50,799
on the sketches later i found out that

1501
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:53,599
um the remote viewer actually was able

1502
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,960
to see a uh a russian radar before it

1503
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,640
was deployed

1504
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,160
that it was like the planning for a

1505
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:02,000
russian radar was deployed and i was

1506
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,599
just amazed how

1507
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,000
how close it was

1508
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:09,280
that's so cool oh is that pat something

1509
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:12,640
pat somebody of his name pat price

1510
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:17,990
i i don't know pat price um i did the

1511
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,480
name of the remote viewer was not part

1512
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,920
of the report they didn't tell me it was

1513
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:23,760
one remote viewing

1514
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,400
but because of the nature of

1515
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,440
the data i was presented sketches not

1516
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:31,520
photographs from space

1517
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,480
but someone's hand-drawn sketches

1518
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,119
and someone's description of what they

1519
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,520
saw in this environment

1520
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,680
i don't know who exactly did the remote

1521
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,240
viewing at all but that name doesn't

1522
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,200
sound familiar as part of this report

1523
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,280
do you know if if remote viewing is

1524
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,520
still being implemented um in the cia

1525
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,960
like maybe for stuff going on in the

1526
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,640
world

1527
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:56,799
uh i would say this that there's still a

1528
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:59,119
remote viewing program but it's not a

1529
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,640
government remote viewing program i

1530
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,799
believe it's been outsourced

1531
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,720
so yes i would say

1532
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:07,280
yes there is remote viewing

1533
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,880
but no it's not like a direct government

1534
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:12,799
program anymore i believe it's been

1535
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,440
outsourced

1536
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,760
interesting thank you

1537
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:19,520
and debs is this the part where you ask

1538
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:22,480
about the et council

1539
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,520
no

1540
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:25,920
okay fine

1541
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,319
that's gonna be a different time okay

1542
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:31,040
all right fine it's gonna be on the dojo

1543
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,119
no no no um actually um the question i

1544
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,480
have is a few times i've heard you say

1545
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,480
that you're surprised people haven't

1546
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,400
asked you certain things

1547
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,640
and actually what i'd like to know is

1548
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,640
what is it that you want them to ask you

1549
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,440
about that people are not asking about

1550
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:51,280
therefore my question is what is the

1551
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:57,270
the question

1552
00:59:02,549 --> 00:58:59,589
what this is like not being able to

1553
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,559
decipher the puzzle outside the cia come

1554
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,400
on john you said there are two things

1555
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:06,319
you're waiting for people to ask you

1556
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:09,040
no not just two just in general

1557
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,839
yeah

1558
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,799
okay

1559
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:13,359
well i i made a statement before that

1560
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,799
when you ask us questions the formers

1561
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:19,200
if you ask us questions ask us questions

1562
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:22,640
which demand a yes or no answer

1563
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:26,400
they do not allow us to go into an essay

1564
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,440
answer where we can deflect the question

1565
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:31,280
and i'll give you that much

1566
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,480
so you know when you say um for example

1567
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:37,440
you ask me um john is there a majestic

1568
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,880
12 group and i would say no

1569
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,400
oh well i can give you a yes or no

1570
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:44,640
question that came to mind and so but

1571
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,520
then the question should be

1572
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,240
john is there a committee

1573
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,720
advising policymakers

1574
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,119
and does this committee manage the ufo

1575
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,880
narrative the uap narrative and they'll

1576
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,880
say yes

1577
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:00,960
we answer literally

1578
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:03,280
what you ask and we're trained not to

1579
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,119
volunteer any more

1580
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,000
than what you ask

1581
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:09,839
so you know you have to be really

1582
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:11,119
precise

1583
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,319
in in the question so if you ask one of

1584
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,359
us about orbs you know and we say

1585
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,720
yeah

1586
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,599
the kh-11 kenan

1587
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:23,119
spacecraft

1588
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:26,000
may have had an ir sensor that detected

1589
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,280
orbs

1590
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:29,119
can you tell me about that

1591
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:30,880
and i'm gonna say well i'm not

1592
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,680
uncomfortable to talk about the kh-11

1593
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,920
because it's a sensitive capability and

1594
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,160
and i don't want to talk about it but um

1595
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:40,319
yeah generally uh we we've studied this

1596
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,040
for a long time okay so i kind of

1597
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:45,920
deflected the orbs

1598
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:52,069
has the government

1599
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:55,599
studied orbs before alsat

1600
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,760
yes or no

1601
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,599
and the answer is yes

1602
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,280
we have

1603
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,119
and there i have no opportunity to

1604
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:05,839
deflect the answer it's yes or no in

1605
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,720
fact we take a polygraph test

1606
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:11,520
in government especially cia um all the

1607
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,960
questions are yes or no um melissa yes

1608
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:16,880
yes or no answers

1609
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,839
you know so it's it's no opportunity to

1610
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:20,880
like

1611
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:24,160
deflect uh with an essay answer you know

1612
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:25,680
just yes or no

1613
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,480
so

1614
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,720
remove go ahead and i was going to say

1615
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:30,880
your resistance training techniques are

1616
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,960
right on john i could tell you did well

1617
01:01:35,110 --> 01:01:34,559
in resistance training

1618
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,120
uh

1619
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:37,119
[Laughter]

1620
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,240
advanced beatings uh but anyway okay so

1621
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,319
here goes one then uh jeb is saying we

1622
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:44,720
should try one yeah so

1623
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:48,079
uh i know that you have said before

1624
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,079
that these orbs were seen in a certain

1625
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,400
ir spectrum and you actually told us

1626
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:54,720
what spectrum that they were seeing in

1627
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,200
uh which tells us um

1628
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,520
okay so it tells us that they're seen my

1629
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:01,599
question would just be if there's any

1630
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:04,079
metallic component so

1631
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:05,760
my question would be

1632
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:09,119
are they also painted on radar

1633
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,880
yes

1634
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:11,760
ooh

1635
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,240
that raises the stakes okay next person

1636
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:16,240
go ahead nathan

1637
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,280
i love it

1638
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:19,680
uh i've heard john that uh you have some

1639
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,480
friends who've had experiences of the

1640
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:23,680
lady

1641
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:26,960
similar to what chris bledsoe has

1642
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,880
described is that right

1643
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:30,000
yes

1644
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,799
and is um

1645
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:34,400
what can what more can you tell us about

1646
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,000
that specifically

1647
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:38,240
uh you know kind of she seems to have

1648
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:39,599
conveyed

1649
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,680
uh

1650
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:43,200
information about

1651
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:46,400
the future like future

1652
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,880
earth situations or

1653
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:50,240
you know what what can you tell us about

1654
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,680
that that's not a yes or no question but

1655
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:53,760
i'd like to know what you what her

1656
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:55,119
experiences were like there and what

1657
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:56,880
they learned from her

1658
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:00,400
it's more about um a a shift that will

1659
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:04,240
be occurring um over the earth um a

1660
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:07,839
shift in in perception uh in a shift in

1661
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,039
consciousness

1662
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,520
that's an elevation or enhancement of

1663
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,160
our consciousness that will occur

1664
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:17,039
over a period of time um

1665
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,920
that

1666
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,680
uh

1667
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,079
this shift in consciousness

1668
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,480
might be occurring with more of a

1669
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:26,480
visible presence

1670
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:28,079
um and so

1671
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:30,160
basically that that was it and the best

1672
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,240
person is to interview that person

1673
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,240
himself but um

1674
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:38,240
what he got was um

1675
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:39,760
not necessarily a

1676
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:40,799
warning

1677
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:43,359
but uh more about it's it's

1678
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,720
kind of a more of a enlightening

1679
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,559
kind of situation where you know there's

1680
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:50,720
a positive shift in consciousness

1681
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,880
that you'll become more aware of

1682
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:55,200
of us and why we're here

1683
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:56,160
um

1684
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:57,280
and so

1685
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:58,960
along those lines

1686
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:01,520
um so it was a white lady the lady in

1687
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:05,119
white um much like what chris bledsoe uh

1688
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:06,240
witnessed

1689
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:08,960
well

1690
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,400
and he's also a lifelong experiencer and

1691
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:15,520
he's also has evidence of some kind of

1692
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,870
debs has something for you something

1693
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:24,640
very important so she says it's

1694
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:27,680
important it must be important

1695
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,280
okay i'm going to try with this yes or

1696
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:31,039
no question thing

1697
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:32,880
so

1698
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,079
recently a certain individual has come

1699
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:38,880
forward hinting heavily that there have

1700
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:41,760
been biological samples

1701
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:45,359
photos taken of occupants other nations

1702
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,079
are calling these extraterrestrials

1703
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:50,720
so to the best of your knowledge

1704
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:53,280
yes or no does the government know

1705
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:02,549
not all not every single craft

1706
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:03,440
but

1707
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:05,839
no not every single craft

1708
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:07,599
but some

1709
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:09,440
oh it's i would

1710
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:14,789
okay and i know and to be fair that

1711
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,480
sounds like speculation so i don't want

1712
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:18,400
anyone going after john about that that

1713
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:21,359
sounded like speculation is that correct

1714
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,039
it's mostly speculation yes um okay and

1715
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,520
in fact uh my reference is lou himself

1716
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:29,760
he said we know who's in some of these

1717
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:30,799
crap

1718
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:33,280
or what's that effect if you recall so

1719
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,599
we do know who's find some of these

1720
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:37,760
um he mentions uh being able to see

1721
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:39,119
through windows

1722
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:40,079
so

1723
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:42,720
um i assume that they are able to um

1724
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:45,039
actually

1725
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:47,920
have some knowledge of of who's in them

1726
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,400
but that's a question on the u.s side i

1727
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,400
know more about um

1728
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:54,000
about the russian side what they may

1729
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:55,359
have encountered

1730
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,079
because cia we don't we don't analyze

1731
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:00,720
you know things in the u.s right

1732
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:03,359
we're a foreign intelligence agency not

1733
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:05,039
a domestic intelligence agency that

1734
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:08,079
would be like homeland security and fbi

1735
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,760
doing that kind of work but we're

1736
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,520
looking at foreign countries so we we're

1737
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,680
more cognizant of what's what other

1738
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:15,200
countries have seen

1739
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:17,200
regarding this

1740
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:17,599
and phenomenon

1741
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,599
debs has a question from the chat from

1742
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,599
uh your fellow panelists from the

1743
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,000
experiencer panel max mccabe from

1744
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:26,400
england so go for it debs

1745
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:27,599
yes um

1746
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:31,599
max says can john say how far out from

1747
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:34,640
low earth orbit objects have been seen

1748
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:36,559
approaching from

1749
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:38,799
beyond moon orbit

1750
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:41,119
or deep space

1751
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,000
well um the uh nro satellites don't look

1752
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:48,720
out there they look down on the earth

1753
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,119
and on the the

1754
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:54,480
satellites that take pictures

1755
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,400
infrared satellites

1756
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:58,720
they have various orbits i can say that

1757
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,520
in the early years it was what we would

1758
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:03,200
call low earth orbit

1759
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,400
and that's defined

1760
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:08,880
various definitions but usually

1761
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:11,440
they're up about let's say

1762
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:14,160
400 miles up thereabouts maybe a little

1763
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:16,480
bit lower it depends because the orbit

1764
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:18,880
isn't completely circular

1765
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:21,039
um and some of them are in what we call

1766
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:22,880
high elliptical

1767
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:23,760
um

1768
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:26,480
where we want the high part of that

1769
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:28,240
ellipse to be over the target of

1770
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,280
interest

1771
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:32,559
and the low part being closer to home

1772
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:35,520
why is the reason because when you go

1773
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:38,079
toward the high part you're up

1774
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:40,319
in space with longer persistence over

1775
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:41,920
our targets of interest countries of

1776
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:45,200
interest and as we then descend

1777
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:47,119
into the low part of the ellipse we're

1778
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,559
flying over the u.s that's where the

1779
01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:50,400
data does occur so you want to dump the

1780
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:52,480
data closer to the ground but you want

1781
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,880
to take the pictures high above so that

1782
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:56,880
you have more persistence

1783
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:00,079
um i can answer that way and also

1784
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,680
some of the infrared satellites that we

1785
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:04,000
have the new ones i can say sievers

1786
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,240
sbirs sievers

1787
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:08,640
uh that's not a classified term

1788
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,880
whatsoever you can like google it and

1789
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:12,960
you can wikipedia it

1790
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:15,119
um they have various orbits

1791
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:16,719
and one of them is a geosynchronous

1792
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:19,600
orbit this sievers geo and that means

1793
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:21,279
it's flying

1794
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:22,799
high enough so that

1795
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:25,359
it faces the same point on earth all the

1796
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:26,560
time

1797
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:29,040
so we have those satellites as well and

1798
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:30,319
obviously they're going to be

1799
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:32,319
persistently looking over targets of

1800
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:35,600
interest in the other hemisphere

1801
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,000
and i can also say this that okay so

1802
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,239
you're in high earth orbit

1803
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:42,400
or like geosynchronous orbit and you're

1804
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:43,520
on the other side of the world how do

1805
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:44,719
you get the data

1806
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:47,359
i can say that um it's not classified

1807
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,640
that we use

1808
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,120
a data relay satellite system

1809
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:53,920
called tdrss tdrs

1810
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:56,400
that's what nasa uses for a lot of uh

1811
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,000
manned space flight

1812
01:09:01,110 --> 01:09:00,000
uh be able to communicate

1813
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,120
um

1814
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,960
around the earth no matter where you are

1815
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,040
this constellation

1816
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,880
that we can communicate so they

1817
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,799
link data to that and eventually gets

1818
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,040
down to the earth so that's classified

1819
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:13,359
you can look at this uh thanks for a

1820
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:16,799
space telescope however uh so far away

1821
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:19,040
they need to use the big huge giant

1822
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,799
dishes

1823
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:22,480
like i think goldstone is one in

1824
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,080
california

1825
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:26,799
this deep space network to be able to

1826
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:29,679
talk to the james webb space telescope

1827
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:32,319
out there but nasa's looking out

1828
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,520
nasa also looks in somewhat because they

1829
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:36,880
work with

1830
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:39,359
noaa for weather satellites

1831
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:40,239
so

1832
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:45,600
um but the intelligence community

1833
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:46,719
um

1834
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:48,159
we're looking down on the earth because

1835
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:49,600
that's our target

1836
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:50,480
and

1837
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:53,120
uh when they were first detected um they

1838
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,480
were flying in low earth orbit time

1839
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:58,800
a lot of your global warming data comes

1840
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:01,920
from nasa noaa and then uh the europeans

1841
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,480
have one as well but a lot of those

1842
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,800
i did some some study on that in school

1843
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,480
and uh nasa has

1844
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,640
got some great technology that they've

1845
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:12,560
tracking global warming

1846
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:16,560
um so uh deb i think has a follow-up and

1847
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,350
dab hello sorry i'm i'm scrolling back

1848
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:25,520
up because there's a second part there

1849
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:26,400
it is

1850
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:27,360
um

1851
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,159
can you confirm or deny whether the

1852
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:32,800
atlantis shuttle return was delayed due

1853
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:35,520
to the orbs blocking the re-entry flight

1854
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:37,520
path

1855
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,560
i can't

1856
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,159
confirm or deny anything i had no

1857
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:45,430
okay yeah i think that i guess people

1858
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:46,960
are just trying to figure out exactly

1859
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,920
where those orbs were placed and and i

1860
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:51,840
did get from what you were saying

1861
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:54,719
they're actually fairly close um

1862
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:56,960
which is you know it leads people to

1863
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,760
just kind of wonder how far out in space

1864
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:01,280
we're looking when we're looking for

1865
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:03,920
these objects in general but

1866
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:05,199
i guess we'll find out more in the

1867
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:07,040
future when nasa starts telling us some

1868
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:08,320
more right

1869
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:11,120
right and the space shuttles um they're

1870
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:12,560
not flying

1871
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,520
as high as some of our narrow satellites

1872
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:17,280
they're flying a lot lower

1873
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:19,360
than that and in international space

1874
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:21,920
station they're not flying like way up

1875
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,880
there

1876
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:24,480
they're much closer to the earth than we

1877
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,360
think

1878
01:11:28,460 --> 01:11:27,360
still in space but much closer to the

1879
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:28,470
earth than we think

1880
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:29,760
[Music]

1881
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:32,080
so as far as an orb getting in the way

1882
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,199
of a

1883
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,199
shuttle i i've not heard about that at

1884
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,440
all

1885
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,360
i wish we would have had terry virtsa we

1886
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:41,040
got to get john and terry verts on

1887
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,360
together to talk about his experiences

1888
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,880
on he's got

1889
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,400
you know several missions to the space

1890
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:48,239
station so i'd love i'm sure you've got

1891
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:49,440
you'd have great

1892
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:52,159
questions for terry he's also uh he's

1893
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:53,840
not like a uf he's definitely interested

1894
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,120
in this topic enough to have a good

1895
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:57,360
discussion kev did you have something

1896
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:03,189
i had a yes or no question about orbs oh

1897
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:06,800
go here we go yeah okay so yes or no

1898
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:09,199
orbs and sleep paralysis is there a

1899
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,600
connection

1900
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:13,920
orbs and what was the last part

1901
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,430
i have to say no because i never

1902
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:21,280
experienced an orb that caused sleep

1903
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:22,719
paralysis

1904
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:27,600
aware of an orb causing it

1905
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,360
at all

1906
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,600
for me it was mostly waking up in that

1907
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,520
state and

1908
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,840
seeing a

1909
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,360
shadow presence

1910
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:39,120
in my bedroom

1911
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:41,360
all right

1912
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:49,350
you love me sir um

1913
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:51,669
in your informed opinion and speculation

1914
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:59,270
get answers to our questions within

1915
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,239
the next

1916
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,400
10 to 20 years

1917
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:05,520
well um the best answer i can give you

1918
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,000
is that the aoi msg which owes a 180-day

1919
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,320
report so that's twice a year

1920
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:15,040
is in operation uh through uh 30

1921
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,159
september

1922
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,400
of 2026 and after that there's no more

1923
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,480
aoi msg so

1924
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:22,159
if they're going to give us answers they

1925
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:22,960
got

1926
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:24,640
through that construct of that

1927
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:27,199
legislation they got um from now until

1928
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:30,080
the next four or five years to do so

1929
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:32,480
um and after that congress will have to

1930
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,679
re-legislate anything so i keep hearing

1931
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:37,760
that um you know what we should do uh

1932
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,440
and this i believe comes from lou that

1933
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,440
we should uh find a hobby for the next

1934
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:43,760
five years

1935
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,159
and so i was thinking about that and go

1936
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:48,719
that's interesting because you know

1937
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:51,120
there's that in black and white in inc

1938
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:54,960
you know 30 september 2026 is the end of

1939
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,679
the aoi msg effort so does that mean

1940
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,520
that they're pacing it so that we get to

1941
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,400
know a lot more or if not everything

1942
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,080
until then i don't think we know

1943
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:05,920
everything but i think we will learn a

1944
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:08,000
lot more than what we know now

1945
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,000
um and

1946
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,000
i'll be curious to see exactly what the

1947
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:14,000
government will reveal i know what they

1948
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:17,600
can reveal i don't know if they go there

1949
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,520
yeah we were talking with uh christopher

1950
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:21,520
sharp recently of uh the liberation

1951
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:23,679
times and he

1952
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,120
it was kind of a throwaway comment but

1953
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:27,520
he mentioned that there may be more to

1954
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:30,880
the uh doctor hey michelle comment from

1955
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:33,199
uh you may remember him making a comment

1956
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,960
he was the former i guess head of

1957
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:36,400
israeli space

1958
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:37,360
um

1959
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:39,760
that the galactic federation there may

1960
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:41,440
be some more truth to that and so i

1961
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:43,280
guess my question for you related to

1962
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,040
that is uh

1963
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:47,440
do you believe that we are in any type

1964
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,080
of cooperation with

1965
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:54,550
again this is going to be more

1966
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:56,560
speculation on my parks i have not heard

1967
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:59,440
of anything like that having said that

1968
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:02,480
i have to believe that

1969
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:04,239
again not knowing what's going on in the

1970
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,520
united states um that in in russia and

1971
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:10,080
prior to russia the soviet union there

1972
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:11,920
were efforts to make contact

1973
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,719
um

1974
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:14,880
close and personal contact

1975
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:17,280
more like um

1976
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:18,800
close accounts of the third kind of

1977
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:20,480
contact

1978
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,320
and i reference the major general

1979
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:26,800
alekseev who said that the

1980
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:29,199
soviet government instructed

1981
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:30,960
the soviet military to try to make

1982
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:33,760
contact using various devices

1983
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:39,830
radar stations and uh telescopes

1984
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:42,320
instrumented telescopes with lasers on

1985
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:43,280
them

1986
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:45,120
and that they did make contact and they

1987
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:47,280
were able to interact with um these

1988
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:50,960
craft like really close to the ground

1989
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:53,600
to the point where the humans were like

1990
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:55,280
facing the craft and the craft was

1991
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:56,480
reacting

1992
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:58,960
uh to human gestures of the arms and

1993
01:16:01,110 --> 01:16:00,159
hands

1994
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:01,120
so

1995
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:06,880
i don't know um but uh i wouldn't be

1996
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,040
surprised if

1997
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:11,120
we might have had similar

1998
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:14,080
type of uh encounters

1999
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:15,120
um

2000
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,800
that haven't

2001
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,159
been made

2002
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:20,560
or haven't been publicly disclosed

2003
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:23,120
that's the thing um how much

2004
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:24,400
have we

2005
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:28,239
interacted with whoever

2006
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:30,480
is on board these craft

2007
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:32,800
um that's probably a really really

2008
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,840
deeper secret probably more secret than

2009
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,679
um the fact that we may have exploited

2010
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:39,600
the craft you know that's easier to

2011
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:41,120
swallow then

2012
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:43,679
uh yeah they came out and we greeted

2013
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:44,560
them

2014
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,640
or wherever they might might have done

2015
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:48,800
that you know you hear stories about uh

2016
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:51,280
holloman air force base and whatnot here

2017
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,880
all these stories come out

2018
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:55,040
um it's hard to prove because there's

2019
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,960
really you know other than speculation

2020
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:58,159
and other than

2021
01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:00,400
uh some people saying i was there or i

2022
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:01,840
knew someone who was there and they

2023
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,280
swore to it

2024
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:05,199
it's hard to like say this actually

2025
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:09,669
that's the hard part is are we ever

2026
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:12,320
going to see that in intel is are the

2027
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:13,679
lawmakers ever going to see that

2028
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:15,280
intelligence or are they only going to

2029
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:19,280
see what happened from 2017 and here to

2030
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:20,960
four i mean i i don't

2031
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:23,280
i don't know uh i

2032
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:26,000
i would like to oh um deb's got one

2033
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,440
thing i'm gonna ask one question about

2034
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,280
your colleague and then we'll come back

2035
01:17:34,229 --> 01:17:31,360
to debs uh and this is basically like

2036
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:34,239
the appetizer uh before you go on the

2037
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,159
deb's data dojo this is like the poo poo

2038
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:38,320
platter but don't eat all the fantail

2039
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:40,640
shrimp because you know you got several

2040
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:44,960
main courses coming up on on the dojo um

2041
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,880
so uh

2042
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:49,199
relative to your colleague anjali who i

2043
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:50,800
believe you said you've been in touch

2044
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,840
with she is my ufo twitter crush so i

2045
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:55,360
just want to lay that on the table

2046
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:56,960
before we go any further

2047
01:18:02,229 --> 01:17:59,600
um but um

2048
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,239
in terms of her experience are you

2049
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:04,800
somebody that would have wanted to go to

2050
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,080
the cave

2051
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:08,880
with her had you had she spoken about

2052
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,000
that with her when it was still an

2053
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:14,880
impending german uh a journey that she

2054
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:17,040
was to take and is now

2055
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,840
in doubt due to uh a lot of the doctors

2056
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,199
out there

2057
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:23,840
yeah i mean who wouldn't right

2058
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,400
um having said that um uh

2059
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:31,040
i'm i will have to state that she is a

2060
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:32,719
defense intelligence

2061
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:35,600
agency retired officer

2062
01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:39,360
so um let's dispel that myth um

2063
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:41,679
i've spoken with her personally

2064
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:45,120
and i knew um through other to another

2065
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:47,280
source that her background has been

2066
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:49,040
validated she was with the defense

2067
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:50,800
intelligence agency

2068
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:53,120
um but yeah i would love to have gone

2069
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,600
into the cave with her um

2070
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:58,000
but um just going into a cave i mean i

2071
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,679
don't know what that would purpose that

2072
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:01,760
would serve unless you go there to

2073
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:03,520
document you know

2074
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:04,640
i would go in there with some

2075
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:07,280
instrumentation to see exactly is it

2076
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:08,560
something that

2077
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:11,440
um that they presented themselves to her

2078
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:14,480
only or can other people see

2079
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,199
as well are they corporeal

2080
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:19,679
or are they more energetic type beings

2081
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:21,760
that there's you can see the energy

2082
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,080
signature of them but not necessarily

2083
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:26,080
them in the in the flesh

2084
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:28,159
but yeah i mean who wouldn't i mean i

2085
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,239
would volunteer to go if offered the

2086
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,800
opportunity when you've spoken with her

2087
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:35,040
about it what is the feeling you get

2088
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,280
from because it's such a prolific

2089
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:39,520
experience it it blows my mind every

2090
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:41,679
time that i hear her tell it what did

2091
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,719
you feel when you when she spoke about

2092
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:46,000
it with you

2093
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:48,400
well we didn't really talk too much

2094
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:50,960
about on the cave so much

2095
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:53,679
as sharing our personal experiences

2096
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:56,320
um we went there more than anything and

2097
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:00,000
the fact that we know we both know that

2098
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,640
within her agency dia within my age and

2099
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:04,800
cia there are people who

2100
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:07,040
have been experiencers that are not

2101
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,480
forthcoming

2102
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:10,560
um and they're afraid to come out you

2103
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,639
know especially if they're still serving

2104
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,880
within their their agencies

2105
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,480
but there are a lot of retirees that

2106
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:18,400
might be able to

2107
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:19,920
share what they know

2108
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:22,159
but

2109
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,440
other than that

2110
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:25,440
we didn't talk too much about the cave

2111
01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:26,880
itself

2112
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:28,239
um

2113
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,920
i would love to

2114
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:31,920
know where the cave is at i mean i mean

2115
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:34,000
i would think that there might be remote

2116
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:36,639
sensing ways to determine

2117
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:38,480
uh you know there's ground penetrating

2118
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,480
radar and things like that that you can

2119
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:41,920
bring to bear

2120
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,080
on something like that um

2121
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:46,400
the location of it you can access it

2122
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:47,679
probably

2123
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:50,480
with instrumentation from a distance

2124
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,280
um

2125
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:53,440
i would be interested in that but

2126
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,199
most of our conversations have been very

2127
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:57,280
personal about our experiences and how

2128
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:00,080
it affected our lives having said that i

2129
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,920
i will reveal that um i did express um

2130
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:05,600
that i wish she would have gone through

2131
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:08,080
official channels within the dia and the

2132
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,320
defense department

2133
01:21:13,930 --> 01:21:12,719
to get that do psr kind of stamp of

2134
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:13,940
approval and

2135
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:15,280
[Music]

2136
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,199
that's that's the official review

2137
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:19,199
process within the department to say

2138
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:21,120
okay you can say this it's not

2139
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:22,320
classified

2140
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:24,080
it's the same thing i did with cia

2141
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:25,679
through our pre-publication

2142
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,000
classification review board they review

2143
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,560
what you want to reveal and they

2144
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,880
determine what can and cannot be said

2145
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:34,560
and i wish she went through that process

2146
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:35,840
because that would have given her a lot

2147
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:38,320
of validity ahead of time because in

2148
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,960
order to go to the opsr

2149
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:43,120
you have to be in the intelligence

2150
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:45,600
community or in the defense department

2151
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:46,639
um

2152
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,120
on the defend on the military side

2153
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:51,040
and that would have given her a lot a

2154
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:53,760
lot of validity that actually went

2155
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:56,880
and presented my story to them

2156
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:59,520
and they said it was unclassified so i

2157
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:01,360
mean that tells you right there yeah she

2158
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:03,440
is a dia officer

2159
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:05,840
no doubt man and send her a heart bubble

2160
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,199
emoji for dj and uh let's come back for

2161
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,760
uh debs what do you have debs

2162
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:14,080
yeah john i just wanted to follow up on

2163
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:15,840
that comment that you just kind of put

2164
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:18,320
out there and we need to jump back to it

2165
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:20,800
the i know what they can reveal comment

2166
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:22,480
that was dropped

2167
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,229
one of both

2168
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:30,800
they're both very sensitive

2169
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:32,800
and

2170
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:34,639
i would have to

2171
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,920
um

2172
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,480
invoke nda on that

2173
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:41,040
i'll just say that there are things that

2174
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:42,400
the government could reveal if they

2175
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:44,320
choose to reveal it

2176
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:46,159
that will open up

2177
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:49,760
a whole another level of discussion

2178
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:51,520
and that might be too sensitive for the

2179
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:54,080
government to do anything about

2180
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:02,470
this is

2181
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:04,080
at a level where

2182
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:06,239
even if the government revealed that we

2183
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:08,719
reverse engineer some of these crap

2184
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:11,600
um this is like deeper than that

2185
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:12,960
it just can't

2186
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,960
go there i don't think you'll ever go

2187
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:16,960
there

2188
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:18,719
and before i know we're gonna have to

2189
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:21,040
get some closing closing questions for

2190
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:23,360
john you've been extremely gracious with

2191
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:24,480
your time

2192
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:26,960
uh yeah there's some some very

2193
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:28,880
existential issues with

2194
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:29,920
uh

2195
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:31,600
something that would be

2196
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:35,600
a a level of of revelation that that

2197
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:37,199
could upset

2198
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:40,560
uh a a fairly fragile you know not only

2199
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,840
domestic

2200
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:44,000
uh situation but possibly even

2201
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:46,480
international situation as well

2202
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:47,600
um

2203
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,480
because uh people tend to not

2204
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:52,800
you know we i think we look at ourselves

2205
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,920
in the uap ufo twitter community and we

2206
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:58,320
say we're ready to know this and we are

2207
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,080
we are ready to know this

2208
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:02,719
um but i don't know that everybody falls

2209
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:05,440
in that same category as as we are

2210
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,280
because a lot of people are not tracking

2211
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:09,600
on this at all and it it could upset

2212
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,520
the way they look at the world nathan

2213
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:13,360
knows you know has interacted with a lot

2214
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:14,639
of people that would

2215
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,480
uh fall in that category and this

2216
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:18,560
counseled with a lot of those people

2217
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:21,920
so and probably deb and flair as well so

2218
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,159
i it's an unfortunate circumstance i

2219
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:25,920
think it's going to be drip drip drip

2220
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:29,360
until this huge you know 50 gallon drum

2221
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:30,800
fills up and that's going to take a

2222
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:33,199
while because it's more than 50 gallons

2223
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,600
uh closing questions for mr ramirez

2224
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:37,440
please

2225
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:38,560
john i just want to thank you for coming

2226
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,239
on um i i want to know do you think that

2227
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,320
our models are there yet our models for

2228
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:46,080
understanding reality

2229
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,080
are adequate enough to understand what

2230
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,800
this may be and is that really what is

2231
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:52,800
at the heart of the problem it's not

2232
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,639
just you know

2233
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:55,920
that there are

2234
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:58,000
alien others or that there's you know

2235
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:01,199
spacecraft or saucers but our our sort

2236
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:03,679
of very understanding of reality

2237
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:06,880
is is fundamentally uh incorrect

2238
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,679
and and we have to kind of get

2239
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:12,000
a lot of people on board with that with

2240
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:13,440
a different understanding in order for

2241
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,199
us to really talk about what what this

2242
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:16,960
is

2243
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:19,440
yes i'm not a philosopher

2244
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,880
and neither am i an engineer or

2245
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:22,400
physicist

2246
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:25,679
but i took a year-long course called exo

2247
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:28,880
studies taught by dr sean espjorn

2248
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:30,080
hergens

2249
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:36,709
approaches to understanding this

2250
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:38,080
phenomenon

2251
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:41,760
based on like uh various philosophical

2252
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:44,239
disciplines we looked at the various

2253
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:46,960
hypotheses that are out there the the

2254
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:49,520
one i discount the most is the et

2255
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:50,960
hypothesis

2256
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,040
the fact that they're from far away 10

2257
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:55,520
20 30 40 50 light years away and they're

2258
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:57,679
coming over in metallic craft

2259
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:59,840
and they're warping into our space and

2260
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,280
uh here they are

2261
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:04,159
um i i discount that

2262
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:06,159
a little strongly

2263
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:06,960
than

2264
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:08,480
the fact that they've been here a long

2265
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,360
time and that happened a long time ago

2266
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,360
and they're still here and they may be

2267
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:15,360
closer than we think and they're very

2268
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:16,960
very close to us

2269
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:18,880
and they may have interacted with us

2270
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:21,040
over the years of human development may

2271
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:22,719
have helped in the human development

2272
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:23,760
itself

2273
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:26,000
i i'm more attuned to that

2274
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:28,639
um that type of uh

2275
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:29,840
idea

2276
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:33,199
but uh having said that um you know i i

2277
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:35,520
i would say this that

2278
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:37,040
i would think

2279
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,880
that there might be a way for

2280
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:41,280
the government to uh approach it from a

2281
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,120
scientific point of view

2282
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:45,199
on the fact that the james webb space

2283
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:46,719
telescope might

2284
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,120
detect something that the government

2285
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:51,679
already knows it's there or suspect it's

2286
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,440
there but now you're getting data

2287
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,440
through a scientific channel not through

2288
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,280
a military channel but a scientific

2289
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:59,360
channel and that data

2290
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:00,880
should be shared openly with the

2291
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:03,120
scientific community around the world

2292
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:05,440
and maybe they can find something

2293
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,520
that will help the government build that

2294
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:09,840
bridge to who they are and why they're

2295
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:10,800
here

2296
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:14,159
and uh the biggest clue i got was uh dni

2297
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:15,520
april haynes

2298
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:18,480
when she stated that we would perhaps we

2299
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:21,600
would need bills folks to

2300
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:23,600
point the way in helping us understand

2301
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,000
this phenomenon bill meaning bill nelson

2302
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:28,560
director the administrator of nasa

2303
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:30,000
she stated that at the national

2304
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:31,360
cathedral

2305
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:32,400
during that

2306
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:33,360
gathering

2307
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,080
so

2308
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:36,320
i always said the james webb space

2309
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,800
telescope is probably the key

2310
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:40,719
uh in helping the government through

2311
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:42,159
scientific means

2312
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:45,040
uh discover something that's out there

2313
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:48,080
so um that james west space telescope

2314
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:49,199
first light

2315
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,520
um the first 180 day report from

2316
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,080
congress and possibly hearings

2317
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,639
accompanying that report and the 75th

2318
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:58,320
anniversary of roswell all happened

2319
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:01,920
within a week of each other

2320
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,960
amazing

2321
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:04,400
i feel like we should pay for this

2322
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:10,229
all right john ramirez

2323
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:12,960
thanks for being here man

2324
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:16,080
um i have one last yes or no question

2325
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:17,840
it's all about me of course

2326
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:19,840
john ramirez

2327
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:21,600
would you consider me to be an

2328
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:33,350
you're asking me if i'm yes would

2329
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:35,830
yeah okay yes absolutely

2330
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:37,600
all right so okay i'll check out opus

2331
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:38,480
then

2332
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:46,149
all right

2333
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:47,679
well yeah thank you for your answer

2334
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,920
earlier for um all your insights about

2335
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:51,760
my experience actually

2336
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:53,360
you answered a lot of questions for me

2337
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:55,120
and you gave me somewhere to go with the

2338
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:57,199
experience so i appreciate that very

2339
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,000
much

2340
01:29:01,430 --> 01:29:00,000
it's great talking to you

2341
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:01,440
but thanks

2342
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:02,400
sure

2343
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:05,040
debs your next victim on the dojo what

2344
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:06,880
what final words do you have until you

2345
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:08,960
really got to be a victim actually okay

2346
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:11,920
sorry i just want to clarify when sean

2347
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:13,760
comes he's going to be on the dojo to

2348
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,120
educate people on how to um

2349
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:19,600
get help with experiences which is

2350
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:21,360
amazing that players talking about that

2351
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:22,960
today because that's exactly what we

2352
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:25,760
want to work on but anywho

2353
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:27,280
um

2354
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:28,960
he always laughs when i say anywho

2355
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,159
that's why he's laughing at me anywho

2356
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:34,880
um my question actually has to do with

2357
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:37,280
something um that has been mentioned

2358
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:38,400
before

2359
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:40,880
um of course i don't want to um bring

2360
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:42,719
this all back up right at the end of the

2361
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:45,120
show but one thing that's been just

2362
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:48,000
discussed is the the the hybrid um

2363
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:49,520
concept and

2364
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:52,880
um when you read some of the reports

2365
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:55,360
from indigenous people all over the

2366
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:58,400
world they actually refer to

2367
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:01,920
star people or sky people um depending

2368
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,239
on who you talk to um as ancestors

2369
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:08,719
so i feel like that's a potential other

2370
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:11,040
another explanation i do understand that

2371
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:13,120
genetic manipulation may have happened

2372
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:15,600
at a different level experimentation may

2373
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:19,600
have happened um still happening but is

2374
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:22,560
it possible that the original genetic

2375
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:25,040
coding and similarities is because of a

2376
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:32,470
well i think that's highly possible yes

2377
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:34,000
um

2378
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:34,960
it's

2379
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:37,280
human development is very interesting um

2380
01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:39,920
we hear about a missing gap

2381
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:42,239
a missing link for example and i say

2382
01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:44,000
it's not missing it's it's an

2383
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:46,159
intervention that occurred

2384
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:49,360
that separated us from our uh primate

2385
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:52,320
uh friends our closest cousins

2386
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:54,239
don't look like us in any way shape or

2387
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:56,560
form at least most of us i hope i don't

2388
01:31:01,430 --> 01:30:59,679
look like a bonneville

2389
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,440
but people might have different

2390
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:03,199
differences opinion but you know if you

2391
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:05,520
look at the great uh the uh great apes

2392
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:07,920
uh the the higher primates

2393
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:09,520
in the wild they don't look like humans

2394
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,080
at all um but they're human-like

2395
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:14,400
um and they you know they have the right

2396
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:16,639
number of appendages and their organs in

2397
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:19,440
the right place and so forth and so on

2398
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,400
but um they don't look like us at all um

2399
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:24,480
so i would say yeah that's a high

2400
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:26,080
possibility that

2401
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:30,000
we do have a common ancestry

2402
01:31:34,629 --> 01:31:32,960
um and that it may have been um

2403
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:34,639
developed through some sort of

2404
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:36,080
intervention

2405
01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:38,239
by those who've been here longer than we

2406
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:40,880
have and so that's

2407
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:44,560
that's my uh and they may have like

2408
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:45,440
uh

2409
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:48,400
broken away from us or are not here with

2410
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:51,280
us directly but maybe nearby that's that

2411
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:52,560
breakaway

2412
01:31:57,510 --> 01:31:55,440
civilization hypothesis that um i kind

2413
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:57,520
of somewhat adopted

2414
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:59,360
but i think a lot of them are still here

2415
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:02,000
and um there have been hiding

2416
01:32:08,790 --> 01:32:04,719
um and so that's kind of like one of the

2417
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:08,800
things that uh i can't talk about

2418
01:32:16,709 --> 01:32:10,080
oh

2419
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:16,719
have the dojo and i'll also have

2420
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:18,719
have one question for the dojo but i

2421
01:32:23,750 --> 01:32:20,480
guess my last question to you john would

2422
01:32:27,669 --> 01:32:23,760
be uh as a cia officer if you could or

2423
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:27,679
retired could you pick your favorite uh

2424
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:30,080
movie agent slash officer so we're

2425
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:32,159
talking here we're talking about jack

2426
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:36,080
ryan we're talking james bond matt helm

2427
01:32:43,110 --> 01:32:38,320
and of course i know nathan and my

2428
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:44,709
so you're talking about fictional

2429
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:45,760
accounts yeah

2430
01:32:51,189 --> 01:32:48,320
yes who is your favorite

2431
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:51,199
gosh um

2432
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:55,040
as far as like well none of them really

2433
01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:56,960
are realistic no none of them are

2434
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:58,880
realistic enough it's

2435
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:00,480
it's not supposed to be we're we're

2436
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:03,120
having fun here john austin powers he's

2437
01:33:07,830 --> 01:33:06,159
driving a a jaguar shape with the with

2438
01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:07,840
the british flag or you know

2439
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:13,750
um

2440
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:16,320
right now i'm watching homeland i've

2441
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:18,560
never seen homeland and i'm stolen like

2442
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:20,639
season five or thereabouts

2443
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:22,080
and people say what you've never seen

2444
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:23,760
homeland you've got to see homelands

2445
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:25,920
it's all scia and i watched homeland and

2446
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:28,480
said that's nothing like cia right it's

2447
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:30,880
nothing but i enjoy it it's entertaining

2448
01:33:34,229 --> 01:33:33,199
it's entertaining so i pick homeland as

2449
01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:34,239
my favorite because that's what i'm

2450
01:33:39,669 --> 01:33:37,280
watching right now uh as far as the

2451
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:39,679
movie that really got me interested in

2452
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:42,800
cia it was uh three days of the condor

2453
01:33:49,669 --> 01:33:46,560
oh wow robert redford and um at least

2454
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:49,679
fate done away oh okay

2455
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:52,239
sparked my interest in working for cra

2456
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:54,560
that is dope man that is so cool you had

2457
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:58,239
it throughout that outlier man um

2458
01:34:02,149 --> 01:33:59,440
god nathan did you have something i

2459
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:02,159
don't know no it's great no we're we're

2460
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:04,960
uh honored that you came in and joined

2461
01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:08,800
us uh john my u.s navy brother um

2462
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:10,480
hopefully we'll we'll have you back on

2463
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:13,040
again to chat with someone else and and

2464
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:14,880
get into some more deep talk and some

2465
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:16,960
more ridiculousness as well

2466
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:20,080
um so for uh for nathan

2467
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:22,560
for uh flareus for debs this is dj

2468
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:24,880
saying peace out one love we'll see you

2469
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:27,280
down the road like subscribe and that's

2470
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:29,520
all you gotta do all right